Religion & Mental Health Therapy! Coffee & a Chat w/Kati Morton | Kati Morton

Hey everybody, Happy Thursday! Do you guys remember this background? So cool I got this at CB2. Many of you asked. It’s been years ago. Purchased it. Pretty sure they don’t have anymore. It’s been like ten years, but it’s like a throwback. TBT, it’s Thursday! Oh, full circle. Look at us, coming together. What today’s video is … no not Harry Potter, Coffee and a Chat. And hot off an espresso machine, just the way I like it. Oh yeah. Okay so today’s topic is something that a lot of you have asked me about. And I’ve heard from you, both sides of it, so what’s the thing I’m talking about? Therapy and Religion I’ve heard from many of you that you are not religious, and you in some way feel that your therapist, You found out that they’re religious. Or you feel that they’re pushing you to be more religious and pray, and things like that. Or on the other side I’ve heard from a lot of you that you are religious and you’re concerned about seeing a therapist who is religious and shares the same values as you. Or on the third portion of it, I guess, I’ve heard from a lot of you that you’re seeing someone at church who Is not a licensed mental health professional. And you’re curious my thoughts on that. So there are three things we’re gonna talk about, so let’s get into it so this video isn’t crazy long. So the first part is if you’re not religious and you in some way feel that your therapist Is kind of pushing you to be religious or is religious themselves and that bothers you. There are a couple of things we can do, as always. And this is something you can blanketly give to any therapy situation, and that is if you don’t feel like you can communicate with your therapist or if you have communicated and they’re not listening to you, and they’re still kind of pushing their own agenda. I’ve heard that with regard to medication from many of you, but with regard to religion, If you’ve told them you’re not. You prefer that not be part of your therapy practice, But they keep bringing it up I would have a conversation with them about it. And if they still aren’t hearing you, I would ask for referrals. That’s okay. I know that a lot of you feel really nervous about doing that, and I know that many of you have told me, but I just can’t imagine myself saying that to a person. Remember that therapy is different than a regular friendship or relationship in general. It’s not about the therapist. It’s about you, the client. If You don’t feel comfortable. If they are making you uncomfortable even though you’ve spoken up about something, then it’s time for you to find someone who hears you and respects your point of view. Because everyone has different views when it comes to religion. I’m not saying in this video that you need to, don’t need to, should feel some way. Everyone has the right to practice their own religion in the way that they see fit. Or not practice in the way they see fit. That’s all, that’s everyone’s choice. That’s what, we, you know, that’s what makes life wonderful. So with regard to that, I would speak up. I would tell them if you still feel that they’re pushing it on you, I would express your discontent about that. And ask for referrals, and find someone. Even you can ask that when you see people. I’ve had clients ask me, hoping that I was Jewish. I’ve had a couple clients ask if I was Jewish and I’m like, “oh, sorry I’m not. But are there certain things you want me to incorporate or would you like some referrals?” That’s fair. You can ask it straight up. First session or even on the phone before you make the first session, okay. That’s the first part. Second part: if we are religious. I need a sip of coffee before I get Into that one. Okay, if we are religious and religion Is very important to you, and you want it to be part of your therapy process Just like I said before, you can ask when you call. And there are tons of therapists, even the one actually the therapist that I share an office with, she is a Christian based therapist. And that’s something that she does. She was one of my teachers at Pepperdine and that’s how come I found her. And that’s why we share an office. But Pepperdine is a religious school. It’s a Christian School. So she practices out of that base, that religious base. Now she doesn’t do with all of her clients. I actually asked her about it, so that I knew who to refer to her. She’s like “I don’t do it with all my clients, but I’m happy to pray with them. I’m happy to talk about scripture with them. Whatever they need in order to feel better and recover.” So keeping that in mind, you can ask around. Ask right away. See what it is, if they do, if they don’t. If it’s important to you, then it should be important in the therapy process. Because on both ends of the spectrum, if you don’t want it or if you do want it that’s all part of who you are and what’s important to you. And I think that being able to speak up about that and be able to have a conversation with someone who’s on the same page as you and understands where you’re coming from can be really beneficial. And it can be sometimes hurtful if we feel that they’re not respecting that choice. Am I right? So speak up about it. Ask about it. Oftentimes churches will have a whole referral list of people in the area or maybe members of the congregation that they can refer you to. And to note if you run into someone, so let’s say you are seeing a religion based, like a Christian based therapist, and you yourself, a Christian, you end up going to the same church and you bump into them. You don’t have to say hi unless you want to, and they will not say anything, because that, we hold your confidentiality. I would never, even if I was walking on the street and saw a client, I wouldn’t be like hey. They have to say hi to me first, and then I would say hi, because you have to acknowledge me. I don’t want to say hi, and then your friends say like how do you know that person, who’s that? And you have to answer that. So just to keep that in mind, especially with regard to church. Now the third portion Is if we’re in church, and we’re going to see someone who likes works as part of congregation. Often they have like what they call counselors or … They’re not licensed professionals. If you have licensed professionals in our church that’s wonderful. I’m glad they have that resource, but often times you’ll talk to your pastor, your preacher, the priest, whoever it is you talk to in, and I know I’m leaving out other religions. That’s only because of my, you know, off the top of my head knowledge. That is in no way discrediting anything else. But you’ll talk to a member of your church, whether it’s the leader of the church or one of the people who works within it. And you can often ask them a lot of questions, and they can give you a lot of advice from a spiritual place. I want you to understand that there is a limit to what they can offer for you, because of their knowledge base and schooling. If they don’t have a license and haven’t practiced different therapy techniques, you’re gonna find that they often don’t have those tools to give you. So recovery can take longer. You may, it may just be more advice given from a religious background. That’s honestly what it’s like; advice but it’s from a religious place. And that can be great that can be great. I’ve had many clients talk about how it was really great for their marriages or it was really great for their children. So there’s definitely a place for it. I just want you all to be cognizant of the fact that they haven’t gone to school for it. There’s gonna be some ways that they’re very limited in the tools that they can give, and the things they can recommend to you and the support that they can offer. Yes they have that whole other component which gives them a leg up, if that’s important to you. But just keep that in mind, because I’ve heard from some of you that you’ve been given, what I would call some horrific advice in the therapy world, not from a religious standpoint but in the therapy world. Had been given some advice that kind of goes against what we would learn in school, and so just be cautious. Proceed with caution when it comes to that. And if you’re just seeking a little bit of support and advice, you just need to vent, you’re upset about something, and it’s something that you could go to a friend about, but you’re wanting someone who is kind of outside of the situation to hear it. That’s what it’s there for. That’s what they’re there for. That’s what I think Is best. Because otherwise I’m afraid that if we’re recovering from addiction or eating disorder or self-injury, It’s a little bit out of their scope and over their head because they haven’t gone to school for it. They don’t really know how to treat it. And I just want to protect all of us in this situation, making sure that we’re all getting the help and support that we need at the level that we need. And there’s room for everybody. We have friends and family and all sorts of support systems in our life, and I think it’s Important to keep those. Just making sure that when we really need serious professional help that we’re getting it. What do you think? Let me know what you think about therapy in religion. Do you think it has a place in it? Do you think it doesn’t? Have you had experience with it? Let’s chat in the comments, because everyone’s gonna have a different point of view. And like i said this isn’t me saying that one is good and another’s bad. These are just my thoughts, because this is what you requested. So i hope you all have a wonderful day, and I will see you tomorrow on a Live Stream. I’m getting better. I’m so much more technologically savvy. I can switch from YouNow after 30 minutes and pop over to Patreon, just like I promised. And we’ll be doing that Friday at 11 a.m. Pacific Standard Time, so I’ll see you tomorrow. Bye!

100 thoughts on “Religion & Mental Health Therapy! Coffee & a Chat w/Kati Morton | Kati Morton

  1. Question, as a therapist, is it unethical to turn away clients because of their religion? My friend saw someone who would only accept clients who were Christian or willing to become Christian. This seems strange to me, and kind of unprofessional.

  2. I feel like this is an issue often faced by lgbt people. If you are one I would advide to stay avay from religious non-professionists. Some of them can be very judgmental, to the point where they try to "purge" your "sin".

  3. I agree with Kati If saying something like Jesus loves you or praying or bible verses helps you find a therapist that can do that with you

  4. As a non officially religious person aka I feel there must be some higher power but don't think anyone knows what it is, if religion/belief of higher power is bought into my therapy it makes me feel like I must've done something to annoy the higher power or like I'm not meant to be alive /happy because otherwise I would've been made that way. So it's not helpful to me at all

  5. kati, okay so i just began my fresh start in college after having a bad experience with a group of girls in my old town. For lack of a better word, they "bullied" me a bit. Logically, i know that their opinions are not valid, and that in the big picture, its not important but i still continue to mentally dwell on it and how shitty they made me feel. Do you have any advice to be able to let go of that harassment and how to simply not be affected by it anymore? It's still pretty recent so maybe i just need time but idk. Thanks!

  6. I think therapy and religion can go hand in hand very well if you're a religious person. I'm a devote Christian and I've seen many therapists with some of them being Christian and it was really beneficial because of some of the things I deal with. It was usually a cbt exercise paired with a scripture and that personally helped a lot because my faith is such a big part of my life and if you don't have a licenced professional at your church ask them for a referral. The counselor at my church is also one of the big dogs at the community mental health center (he is licenced though) they know other people and can give you access to care

  7. I am not a practitioner of any religious or spiritual path. My therapist is great about that, I honestly don't know if she adheres to a path herself. I think that is probably best for me, it allows me to relax in her presence. I've been very lucky with the therapists I have seen, only one sour interview and that had nothing overtly to do with religion. He seemed rather certain that as an older male figure he knew best, he didn't pass his interview.
    What I have noticed is that I need to do a "This Is Who and How I am" intro and it usually takes an hour. One of the things in the intro is that I am agnostic, most therapists have been fine with that. What usually trips things up for me is my dry and grim sense of humor, and I have to be able to express my humor in therapy. Have you ever had issues working with a client because their sense of humor was difficult to parse?

  8. I loved this response! I am a Christian and my faith is very important to me. I have seen both Christian and non-Christian therapists as well as non-licensed religious people. The non-licensed religious people were definitely not helpful despite sharing my beliefs. They had no idea what to do with me other than to label what I was doing "sin."

    Both Christian therapists I have seen were very helpful, however, Christianity was not the focal point of the sessions. When my faith was directly impacted by my issues, we would talk about it, and it helped to know that they shared my beliefs.

    One of my non-Christian therapists was not at all helpful. She was very new-age and pushed that belief system on me. Which, imho is as bad as a Christian pushing Christian beliefs on non-Christians.

    My current therapist is not religious. However, we have talked about my faith several times. He has actually been more helpful than my pastors in helping me wrestle through some questions I've had about my faith. I know he doesn't share my beliefs, but he knows that they are important to me and is willing to explore them when they impact my ability to move forward in therapy.

  9. There is a lot of relief in spiritual practices, the big thing for me is to know which professional I need for any task. The cool thing is my therapist even reached out to my spiritual guide ( with my permission) to see how they could work together. Ask the questions people. ??

  10. Hi Kati! Thank you. I've wanted to ask about that topic while watching your videos over the last few weeks. I am an assistant youth pastor and Sunday school teacher at my church. I've spoken with teens and kids who have gone through many very difficult situations like self-harm, depression, divorce, sickness. As much as I love and listen and give the best advice I can to the students, I know my limits. I try to never over-reach in my advice because I know I am not trained for certain topics. (BUT watching your videos has inspired me to get some proper training courses for better counseling)

    Sadly some Christians in ignorance believe mental illness is a demonic thing, but I remind students and parents that theres no shame in seeking professional help because its the same as going to a doctor in a hospital. We believe the body is a temple, a place that should be protected and cared for, and that includes the mind.

    BTW: I would be okay with seeing a therapist with different beliefs.

  11. As I've gone through recovery I have been able to return to my catholic faith. Realizing that it's not religions duty to comfort me. But for me to find guidance among it. I still however like to keep my religion and therapy separate.

  12. I went to a christian based treatment center, and I found that a lot of the people there " staff" were not licensed or such due to there schooling.

    in a nutshell, this place made me worse due to what I went through and caused me PTSD.

    if I want to talk to my paster that is best.

    I see a normal therapist and she has helped me a lot.

  13. Totally agree with you, Kati! I myself take my spirituality very seriously but since I identify as both Catholic and Pagan, I've never found anyone around me that really understood and I don't expect them to! I live in an aggressively Catholic country but also in an aggressively Atheist household – I've experienced kind people and abusive people from either side. Whatever works for you, works for you; and if anyone is trying to shove their beliefs onto you (or dismissing yours), keep shopping around. You gotta make your own safe place for recovery!

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  15. I find this topic really interesting! Why don't you collab with Jaclyn Glenn to dive deeper into the topic of "Coming Out Atheist"? Or to talk about other struggles with regard to religion … She just released a video on depression and she's a friend of Bria and Chrissy, living in LA … I'm pretty sure she's open to it and I love her videos on various topics! Would love to see it!!! <3

  16. Sometimes it seems like Buddhism is introduced into mainstream therapy. Even in public health care services in Europe. Elements are just presented as purely secular, while the client is not informed about the Buddhist origins of the consepts and exercises. I think this issue can be problematic whether the client is religious or not.

    Except for that, as a Christian (evangelical) I don't se any conflict between Christianity and therapy. I've been in therapy and seen different therapists both in individual therapy and group therapy for more than seven years. Which therapist, psychiatric nurses, social workers etc. I've had a good match with has not depended on their religious views. As an evangelical I would be more uneasy with a very "Liberal", "Fundamentalist" (if they exist) or "Hyper-charismatic" therapist than a non-religious therapist. Sometimes I find it a bit frustrating when I feel I almost is expected by non-religious therapist to explain why I am in therapy. I consider theology and psychology as differen't levels of explanation. Well, perhaps there is another conflict when it comes to some radical versions of positive psychology (but these radical ideas would be in conflict with other school of psychology as well) where "the root of all evil" is low self-esteem.

    I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work! 🙂

  17. Love your intro and infonin this video Kati! You're so animated! You speak really well and I appreciate all your videos, esp as an upcoming LPC. 🙂

  18. Would love to see a video relating to women who suffer from inattentive type ADHD and skills for coping with this.

  19. I'm Druidic pagan and so far none of my therapists have tried to push Christianity (or any other religion) onto me. I will only bring it up occasionally as a part of my daily life and spiritual health.

  20. I had a therapist tell me one time when I mentioned I was uncomfortable in my workplace (many people who worked there were rude and/or on hard core drugs) that I was in control of my feelings regard that situation. Now on one hand, I get it. You can make the best and worst of any situation. On the other hand someone yelling at you for taking off work when your cousin passes unexpectedly or listening to coworkers talk about their "extra curricular" activities isn't really a comfortable position for anyone. I felt like she was basically saying I was blowing it out of proportion. I never had the courage to ask for a referral but I also didn't trust her or share my inner most through with her much. She did teach me a lot about mindfulness and I am still using those skills today. I guess what I am getting at is that no therapist is perfect. Hopefully, they give you great advice most of the time but if you feel they have broken your trust or aren't helping you it's time to move on.

  21. I like this. It hasn't affected my process yet but I worried about it for sure, being an Adventist. It was nice and reassuring in case anything pops up.

  22. I am really religious and religion plays a big role in my life. My therapist practices the same religion. However, NOT ONCE did she bring religion into therapy. I once brought it up and she responded that first she wants to make sure that I'm healthy physically and emotionally (ED) and only then can we think about religion.

  23. If you're seeing a therapist, then you're a customer, regardless of who pays the therapist, whether it's you, your insurance, or whomever. The customer (you) always has the right to stop doing business with the therapist.

  24. It helps when my T is the same religion as me because we understand each other better. Of course for other people, a therapist shouldn't incorporate it in unless asked do. But for me, it's really really helpful. Like I don't feel weird when I talk about God and healing. It helps me be more open 🙂

  25. I've tried journaling in the past but every time I journal I end up being more triggered, I've self harmed mainly after journaling. Any advice to help with that?

  26. I used to see this therapist that always pushed me to be a Christian and told me I wasn't really gay and I'd eventually become straight. She was also very rude in other ways, and called me a brat for expressing my feelings that she wasn't the right therapist for me. I was being professional and kind the whole time, I don't understand how she got through school and still acts like that.

  27. my faith in God is very important to me and I believe, it's a key part towards my recovery! although I may not see a Christian councellor when it's my time to (am on a waiting list), I am very blessed that I have a very close, mother figure, in my church who is a councellor and knows my story x

  28. So, I've been diagnosed with anxiety for years; since I was a kid, but…..I don't actually think I have anxiety. No one can actually tell me why I was diagnosed with it and it seems my anxiety levels have been low compared to the norm up until recently. I've had some stress recently, but my anxiety levels still aren't nearly what anyone I know with anxiety feels like, it just seems normal, yet slightly elevated to me (hope that makes sense). And my current psychiatrist, psychologist and neurologist have agreed with my assessment (though I don't know them well). However, I'm still diagnosed with GAD and it's constantly being used to explain all my medical problems. Anything from fibromyalgia to migraines to literal broken fingers. My question is, how do I get undiagnosed with anxiety or get it off my records so my doctors stop blaming everything on it? Or, how can I respectfully combat the stigma around anxiety in the doctors office? Kind of an odd question, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  29. This is an interesting topic for me since many of my symptoms are related to my faith, I have dealt with compulsions regarding spiritual things such as having to spend a certain number of hours a day in prayer or contemplation and a constant feeling that God is angry at me. Often times my religion is a major topic of the session. I'm glad that here, my therapist can talk about it with me.

  30. A belief in God is central to Alcoholics Anonymous and other twelve step programs, but they do stipulate that the God you choose to help you does not have to conform to any religious dogma or religion. It is "the care of God 'as you understand him or her'." In spite of this concession to the irreligious, I've always had trouble believing in a God that knows or cares about my personal life, even though I get to create my own God to suit my own metaphysical yearnings. It is part of AA doctrine that you "turn your will and your life over the the care of God 'as you understand him or her'." I really have a tough time with that.

  31. Kati Morton you are my psychiatrist my counselor my therapist my mental health doctor my social worker keep up the good work I love you you helping out a lot of people and I love your suicide video I watch it all the time I share it in my group; if you want to know more about your client Henry Herrin I'm on YouTube I need your help check out my YouTube page thanks and have a great day

  32. Kati Morton can you do a video on schizophrenia I really would like that I'm working on my book is coming out soon

  33. if they are pushing religion switch therapists that does happen especially in redarded states if you are in a redarded state it might be hard to find one that isnt religious so i would say just dont go to therapy until you can get out of the red state you are in or google your state and see if somebody has found a non religious asswipe

    thx for this ha bisky vid i remember dennis trainor saying that guidance counselors can also be religious asswipes and how he drove a 13 year old to planned parenthood after school and luckily she wasnt preg and how he had to undo the damage that stupid guidance councilor did (he was a teacher at this time)

  34. I am religious and I don't feel comfortable bringing up my beliefs with my therapist. I have a good relationship with her and I'm getting good care so I don't wish to change therapist but I do feel that I can't be as open with her as I would like.

  35. The last thing a person needs when struggling with mental health issues is to have more irrationality piled on top of an already debilitating problem. Religion is buy definition the antithesis of therapy.

  36. I recall going to free counselling at Community Services for "Against Violence Against Women" support group & every time I brought up my Christian faith when it was my turn to share, I got shot down by the Counsellor, who kept interrupting me & reminding me that this is a Feminist Group & that we do not appreciate hearing anything religious at group.
    Thing is, she asked us to share how our week had gone & my faith is the biggest part of my life. However, I was not permitted to share if I brought up my faith. Feeling stifled over & over again, I had to quit my group therapy, even though I said, I appreciate & accept your feminist views so I would hope you can also accept my Christian viewpoints. However, it was made very plain to me that my views would Not be tolerated. I left group therapy before I was asked to leave & my therapist in our weekly one-on-one, requested I not come back.

  37. my problem is that I am starting therapy and I don't think she is to a Christian. now, I am not asking for a 100% bible based section or even 1% at all, but I don't want to feel that she discredits my belief bc I am a Christian. it hasn't happened yet.

    I am going to her bc of my insurance, I've only had 1'session with her. but I originally wanted a therapist with a strong christian background

  38. the best therapy that I've had has been my faith. but yes, is always good to check in with a human on the outside of our lived. I am certain GOD intended for humans to seek and give help to others

  39. This topic is exactly the reason I left therapy for my anxiety and OCD based issues. I had left religion, and I was solid in my beliefs, or non belief, but since I had spent so long having been religious, and had tried to turn to that with difficulties (unsuccessfully) before, I needed to develop new healthy ways to cope and process some things in my life. Because so many therapists in my area are religious based practices, I went to the local medical university for treatment. I thought a place of teaching and learning would be unbiased and great. Maybe allowing them to assign me to a grad student was my first mistake. I saw this therapist for a few months and was having a really hard time developing trust with him. Each time I brought up the issues I was conflicted coping with as someone who was not religious anymore (death, death of a very close family member among other things) he pretty much just told me I would be better off talking to a religious leader about it. I told him that frustrated me because I felt they would just try to pressure me back into religion which I didn't want, and we had this circular discussion 3 or 4 times. I finally just stopped going. Dealing with that actually made me more anxious. That was 4 years ago. My anxiety and OCD-based issues have never been completely disruptive in my life, although I do still feel I could better deal/manage them, but now the idea of going through all the psych testing and trouble of finding someone that would fit in my schedule again just is disheartening and I'm honestly not convinced it would be worth the added stress and anxiety.

  40. I went to a counselor for help with child abuse, and he told me God caused it to happen to me because I was to proud. Then he asked me if I wanted to talk to a priest . I thought this guy is an idiot. That was in 1979 . The next time I tried to get some help for abuse the Yale educated psychiatrist said "So you got scewed big deal." That was around 1998. I went for help in 2011 they had me speak to a former field chaplain who is now a counselor, when he found out my religious beliefs the whole experience turned into me having to defend my beliefs ,and the abuse I suffered as a child was never considered. I believe in God and that the Bible is his word. I believe my abusers that is 3 different older children from my neighborhood were sick twisted thoughtless selfish perverted degenerates. But they did it not God. So now that everyone else is accounted for, what about some help? I,m a ,56 year old man who was tortured and abused from around 1965-1970, given drugs and alcohol starting at 10 yrs old ,fell off a truck traveling over 50 mph in 1974. And when my mother saw me and said "O my god what happened?" My dad said … " Somebody beat the shit out of the son of a bitch."??????. Sorry l didn't mean to swear. Are you OK!

  41. My therapist is a catholic priest, it makes me feel sort of intimidated and uncomfortable. I am catholic, but I've never had any sort of relationship with people in the church, and I just I feel like I cant talk about anything. I'm not a bad person, but I already don't know how to express how I'm feeling. I've only gone to one session, and I have another tomorrow- But I'm scared. I want to continue, but I feel like the last session was very very unproductive, as I was so scared of what to say, and how to start. Any advice?

  42. I really like the idea of having the choice to incorporate religion in to therapy, if you are religios it really has to much inpact on your everyday life for it not to come up I think. But its of course different for everyone.

  43. I'm glad you made this video. I had a therapist whom I opened up to about being atheist, and she proceeded to ask me if I have any morals.. Not only did I feel insulted, but I was really surprised that a therapist would say to begin with. Thanks for letting us know that it's okay to get a referral.

  44. I'm so glad I found this video. I'm looking for my first therapist after many many years of putting it off and I really want to find a therapist that doesn't include their religious views into their therapy (which is fine for others, just not for me). I have childhood issues regarding religion but I don't want the therapist to either convince me otherwise on my opinion on it or "preach to me" (maybe God had something destined for you, etc). I really want to ask on the phone before I go into the first session just to made sure that we're on the same page and this video confirmed for me that it's okay to do so. So, thank you.

  45. My mom wanted me to go to a Christian therapist which at first made me uncomfortable because I'm not as religious but after my mom left the room one of the first things she asked me was how involved I wanted religion to be in our sessions and ever since that it has been great. I love my therapist. She is an excellent listener and has been helping me a lot.

  46. As an atheist I can't imagine incorporating religion into my therapy but of course everyone is different. Would a gay person be 100% comfortable talking to a devout conservative Catholic therapist? Not sure. Would an unmarried pregnant client feel 100% comfortable opening up to a devout Muslim therapist? Likely not. The last thing vulnerable clients need is the added pressure of guilt piled on them for their so called "sins" ("Catholic guilt" anyone?) or the worry of "eternal damnation" etc ?

  47. sometimes i feel like maybe i could get better if i were more religiously devoted, but religion has never given me the feeling of peace that everyone else seems to get. everytime i try following a religious path, it just makes my problems (specially anxiety) worse, probably since my views about religion are very conflicting. i don't know if there's any solution for it.

  48. Speaking as a pastor, you nailed it. Depending on seminary training, a clergy person may or may not have training in pastoral care and/or counseling. There are a very rare few who are also licensed therapists, but not many. Most are aware of their limitations in this area and are able to make referrals to therapists when the situation goes beyond their scope.

    Speaking about the role of religion in therapy, it totally depends on the client. Personally, I wanted a therapist who had a basic language of the faith, because church is my job and Christianity is part of my identity, and I did not want to feel like I had to constantly translate my life into terms that she would understand. Also, if spiritual issues came up for me (which they have, on occasion), I wanted to feel comfortable discussing those with her. But I also wanted someone who was therapist FIRST and who would not introduce issues of faith unless I went there first.

  49. My therapist does attend church, and we have talked about God, God's plan for each of us, and other things regarding religion.  I am accepted as I am as a lesbian, and my therapist has told me about churches that are all inclusive, which helps.

  50. I'm trying to find a therapist right now but its so hard to find someone that is Christian and isn't crazy expensive. But I really need therapy right now

  51. 1) I completely agree with being really specific with what you need in a therapist. my mom found my therapist for me and had like 4 non negotiable aspects that they needed to have. that's because she knew they had to have all of that for them to properly be able to understand our culture/values and for the therapy to actually work out. and we finally found a therapist and they are amazing!! sticking to what you need is sooo worth it.

    2) as someone who is planing on Pursuing mental health and is religious is there any way to affiliate yourself with a place of worship, like become their resident mental health councilor when they have never had one before?

    3) i understand that you can only speak from your experience but I would have really appreciated it if your talk about religion was more diverse. or if you specified Christianity in the title.

  52. What about therapists who think your religious beliefs are a sign that you're poorly? Because they are not religious.

  53. It's quite saddening how ignorant and judgemental so many of the comments below are. It should be up to the client's choice whether or not they want to find a therapist whose religious ideologies align with their own. Right now I'm opting to see a Christian therapist because I feel that she would better understand from a faith standpoint how I've been trying to manage my mental health. It's not meant as a standalone or replacement therapy, but it definitely helps to reinforce the healing process.

  54. I'm religious and I'm sorry that so many of you have had terrible experiences with licensed/non-licensed religious therapists. It really bugs me when other religious people judge or try to force their beliefs on others, it causes that person to view everyone of that same faith as bad (which is exactly what I see in all the comments). I practice Christianity because it is a central part of MY life and important to ME, and I do not care what other people think about that or what other people choose for themselves. The fact that someone else practices a different religion or is an atheist does not bother me at all because it has nothing to do with me and how I live my life. It seems so appalling to me that others can't be respectful and understanding of other ppl's lifestyles. So again, on behalf of all the pushy religious and non religious folks who try to force their ways onto their clients/friends/peers/etc, I'm sorry. ?

  55. I'm glad that my therapist and I are so on the same page spiritually speaking.  We both grew up Christian have experiences in Protestantism, and have an openness to some universalism and meditation.

  56. I see religious belief as a response to being overwhelmed by life. I don't hold it against people who respond that way because life is pretty overwhelming. I still don't believe in the God worshipped in mainstream religion, though.

  57. Any thoughts on how to deal with existential crisis causing serious depression? None of the docs I've spoken to seem to be able to help me. It's hard to go on.

  58. fourth thing: being a christian and seeing a licensed therapist that doesn't share those values. She's a buddhist. though she is a great listener and I've gotten a lot of helpful tips from her.

  59. Wouldn't normally comment – but I don't see this opinion widely represented here so I'ma go ahead and say it.

    I'm religious and enjoy going to a relaxed Christian church, but I don't like to involve religion in my therapy or with my therapist. This is just due to wanting an IMPARTIAL judicature – somebody who won't mind if I say I'm having doubts or that I don't feel close to God (which is how I feel when I'm depressed!) and won't try to convince me one way or the other.

    I had a therapist who told me to pray more, she was religious, and although I knew why she would ask me, one of my upsetting things was that I didn't feel the connect when I prayed. I feel sometimes more isolated if I pray and don't feel like there's anybody listening. It can feed the feelings of loneliness and isolation if I spend a long time in prayer and feel nothing or no response. It's like you saying 'Hey there's this thing that triggers me and makes me feel worse' and your therapist saying 'Well, just do more of it' – it wouldn't make sense in another situation. I also feel guilt if somebody prays for me/lays hands and it doesn't work, or I'm not cured – this will make me want to appear better than I am for my therapist so I don't disappoint them that their prayers didn't work and then I won't get the help I need because I'm trying to appear like it worked.

    She came from a good place, but now it's better with an independent person (I don't know if she's religious or not but I've just asked that we keep it somewhat chilled in that department) and so now I can openly asses things like WHY I might be feeling alone, or when and how that disconnect comes about. This critical assessment is much better when it comes to my religion and I find it much more helpful.

  60. it's 21 century. google "age of enlightenment", "Renaissance" and "scientific revolution". I don't understand how people can still believe in religion in 21 century, but fortunately the number of non-religious people is growing

  61. As a Christian LMFT, I’ve had Muslims, Jewish, Wiccan. I stay with where they are but they know up front what my background is because I think it is ethical to share it with them. Some are okay with it and some want referrals. That’s okay. Many Christians view psychology as hostile to them spiritually so I have a strong niche.

  62. It's funny, the Psychiatrist who diagnosed me as Schizoaffective because i have hallucinations, is a Pentecostal (those who believe that when touch by the holy spirit can speak in tongues)…Then my Therapist believed in homeopathy and Reiki… i'm just saying.

  63. I think a spiritual component is very helpful whether you’re actually part of a religion or not, or whether the religion has a god/gods. Take Buddhism for example; no god, teaches that change is part of life, let go of hate, meditation is important, take the “middle way,” don’t live with excess but be sure you have enough. Obviously that’s not the whole of the religion but how could that not be helpful?

    I’m christian and I try to meditate everyday for a little and it’s helped a ton over the last couple months. My anxiety in general has been nearly non-existent.

  64. I saw a few Christian psychologists and one psychologist told me to ignore my diagnoses of psychotic MDD, BPD, social anxiety disorder and complex PTSD. This advice has ruined my life. The person said I was demon possessed and so dirty with sin, that I got these diagnoses and that about 6 doctors, 3 psychiatrists and 2 clinical psychologists were wrong. What are your thoughts on that? I actually wish you were in my country or that I could afford your services. You seem really nice.

  65. I am a Chemical Dependency Professional that is going to school in June to become an LMFT. I have gone to therapy for years and am personally a Christian. I prefer to go to therapists of my own religious background. As a teenager I suffered from severe OCD, GAD and depression. I remember a time when I went to a non-Christian therapist and was attempting to process the stress I was having with struggling with pre-marital sexual relations and how that was contributing to my depression and anxiety. This therapist was not empathetic and could not see where I was coming from. As a counselor I recognize that it was not her place to decide which values I possessed were "rational" or not; however, moving forward I find it easier to seek therapy from someone who can better empathize with my spiritual perspectives. When I counsel others I find it easy to differentiate between my values and the values of someone else, especially since I am a substance use clinician who works with individuals who have engaged in very risky behaviors. I am personally of the belief that faith can be very valuable in the counseling process if it is what the client wants. After I complete my education my goal is to have a private practice and maybe in the beginning/intake paperwork ask if faith is something they would want to be incorporated in their treatment and if not I would respect where they are at and not try to make an agenda out of it. Thanks for the video.

  66. Kati, I usually tend to agree with you 100% but not this time. As someone who struggled with childhood trauma and being gay in a conservative catholic community I am convinced that religion is the reason why I suffered in the first place. Religion is based on dogmas. It imposes on you the notion of sins, which can be traumatising in itself. Please let science be science – psychology has to be objective.

  67. Also what if religion IS the source of your problems? A non religious therapist may well be the first person in your life who will make you reflect on who you really are, without any judgement.

  68. I actually managed to find myself a new age lmhc/hypnotherapidt and it has been more beneficial than I could have hoped. I have a lot of trauma and animosity from being Catholic and there's no way I could put my trust in a Christian therapist. Incorporating the aspects of spirituality we share has been intensely rewarding and helpful

  69. Kati,Have you any experience with licensed therapists and pastors working in conjunction with each other albeit separately in trying to bring healing to a patient who wants a holistic approach, with the therapist, pastor, and patient sharing a common belief system?  In such a relationship I could imagine that the patient could allow disclosure from the two professionals to each other, that each professional could provide insights to the other from their particular areas of expertise to tailor approaches.

  70. Sweetie incorporate that some people think I'm depressed because I'm not religious enough in my country that's a common believe and people usually just stay depressed literally forever

  71. My church has 3 visit rule. Once you have been to counseling 3 times they require that you go to a professional. It allows the church leaders to focus on their total mission not just counseling. It also promotes the seriousness of mental and marriage and personal problems. They have also subsidized the cost for those who cannot afford a professional.

  72. I’m currently seeing a christian MFT I was referred by my church, but she also does counseling in a non religious base for those that seek help.

  73. I study theology in Germany and mostly Switzerland and I can conform pastors are not therapists. I had psychology lessons for one year not to become a "little therapist" but to get a really basic understanding and to know my limitations and to recognize moments where it may be a good idea to talk about the possibility to seek professional help. Which does not mean to abandon the person I can sill support the person in this time but in a different role.

  74. Can I point out the irony of you drinking from a Harry Potter cup during this haha, just sayin. To that point, Spiritual Warfare is a difficult concept to get a grasp on & comprehend, but I have found great value in my therapist having an knowledge of this. Suffering from feeling significantly demonically oppressed for the majority of my life & enduring grotesque demonic dreams, tormented by darkness for so long, I've found incredible freedom in realizing I'm not crazy, that while there are mental health components to address, knowing I also have the power to have a God who loves me so much that I can call upon to fight my battles is an incredible relief after fighting so long without making a dent in many areas of my life. I can't express how profoundly the power of prayer has worked in my life. Having a therapist who can be a prayer worrier for me through my recovery process & spiritual journey has been invaluable. A true God send. I can't begin to tell you how God has moved through our therapy, my recovery & the celebrate recovery 12 step groups & step study group I attend to grant me freedom beyond my wildest expectations in areas I was never even aware I was imprisoned. I pray you all find a support system that guides your walk, can find healing, attain victory over your hardships & discover the life full of blessings you were created to live as I am learning to. <3

  75. I loved this video. I'm looking to become a therapist, and I'm a Christian. As my faith is important to me, and I want to share that, I want to make sure that isn't pushed if I become a therapist.

  76. I think it depends on A.what your religious beliefs are B. How closely you follow your religion or how important it is to you. I do think it makes sense especially after seeing the comments that people are shy about sharing that in therapy. Personally church and church functions have become a part of my recovery and I think it works great for me. Although I understand that there are times that you just don't feel like going to church or go anywhere for that matter because depression or anxiety tells you it won't help. I have felt that way before and soon after I stopped going I fell into a very deep depressive state and hadent left my house in months. I think that isn't that abnormal to not want to go for one reason or another and it's really important to come up with a plan for when that happens.

  77. Excellent video! I’m a member of the clergy and service in pastoral care. In our service we don’t replace licensed therapists, but service as”gate keepers” and for issues we are not trained to help we refer our petitioners and penitents to therapists who can. In many cases we provide mental health first aid and help our petitioners find the help they need. This may not be the case for every faith or clergy. Your church may vary.

  78. Nice video. I really enjoy your topic choices. I wish you did online therapy. I think I could really benefit from having you as a therapist. I am going through soooooooooo much right now. I could write a best seller about it. Lol.

  79. Hey Kati. I love your energy, I love your channel and I love your videos. I see a therapist and I am more on the religious side. I am Muslim mix race black American. And I find at times I really wish my therapist had a religious background or understanding on Islam. Because since I am practicing muslim, that plays a big part in my mental health goals and struggles and in my day to day life experiences. But because she doesn't have a background knowledge or understanding of Islam, I feel like it is not an area I can go to with her, and share with her how I may have reflected on my Islamic faith with an experience I had. But then on the other side of that, there is so much stigma amongst muslims regarding mental health issues that it leaves me feeling like there are few places to turn to in regards of the religious aspect of my mental health needs. So I feel like therapist should have a background knowledge of religious beliefs in various religions, so that when a client or patient comes across their path with a religious faith, the therapist can touch on that at times when the need arises. What do you think?

  80. I ended up doing some combo of therapy and spiritual practice. I definitely did some of that spiritual bypassing with yoga, meditation, and shamanism. But going to therapy who I felt as being pretty open to those ideas, the combo of the two in my life was essential.

  81. Once again, great stuff Katie. What your advice be? I had another therapist approach me about some of her clients wanting to incorporate spirituality into their counseling but the therapist was not “well practiced” in this area. We work for a community mental health agency with SPMI clients. Thoughts?

  82. Hi Kati , I recently found out I was in a cult. Do you have any advice for me. I have a fear they put a chip in my nose. My mother made an appointment for me and they ended up doing surgery I did not need on my nose. I could breathe just fine. They said I needed hearing aids and I never got those. But I got surgery on my nose. Please help. I am traumatized.

  83. I was in a mental hospital that gave religion based therapy. They didn't push it too far, but they did expect us to be in chapel on Sunday morning. The therapist there didn't push religion. She did have her problems, though. I think she was depressed.

  84. So, I am a Christian, and also go to therapy with a therapist who isn't necessarily super big into talking about religion necessarily. But I know a lot of what I believe. And I have friends in the Christian community that can give me solid advice, already knowing what I struggle. There is no doubt that some Christian professionals give horrible advice for struggling mental illnesses. But, not all of them. And many of them at this point actually will suggest for extreme mental health concerns that a person seek more professional help from a licensed professional. However, they will still try to give help if they can. That has been my experience as someone who is in both areas of this.

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